Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Gman23 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:10 am

Mackay wrote:
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Mackay wrote:I've made 500k from this alone, and I heard about it yesterday.


You are just abusing people's ignorance, and that's not the spirit people should have while playing on this server. It's ridicolous seeing how everyone suddenly wants a loan because they prefer earning money by abusing someones ignorance more than roleplaying. Loan was a scam before this because many (like you) scammed people in this unrealistic way and then just went offline, but there's no scamming limit because the amount of reports about this was getting beyond a joke. You are apparently just following the rules because of the punishments you'll receive by breaking them and not because you want to make this server a better place.

Damian wrote:--This does not mean you're allowed to spam /ad's and /cad's with loan requests though, the sign of idiocy in advertisements and general illegal ads will always result in an admin action.


I made it from two /ads. It's a dog eat dog world.


It is indeed a dog eat dog world, as I see you're now banned for taking a little too much advantage of this new regulation. Cheers. :D

But I now understand why admins set forth this regulation, I've gotten over it and agree its better for the server. :D

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by pEar » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:48 am

Alright, thank you Caden. Will do once you open the suggestions up.
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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Roselli » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:34 pm

pEar wrote:Question (Quite simular to previous questions): If you are to run a loaning company, actually having proper contracts and what not (Actually over forum PM), then guy suddenly decides to NC, would that count as NON-RP, or would the guy slip away with it?
IC'ly an ID would be provided, as well as bankaccount, and all required information given to the loan company. If the person would suddenly "disappear", by NC'ing, RP'ly would you be able to get in contact with that specific person via either the police or the government?

Cause if not, it will basically be one big NC fest. I'd like to actually start up a loan company IC'ly, but knowing that people can just NC, then they would have the money is just-.. Ye.. Anyhow, if they namechange, the cash wouldn't IC'ly go to the new player, but OOC'ly it does, so it's basically abusing.

Answer please?


On this one I would say:

NC RPed as death? All money should be /charity'd from that loan.

NC RPed as fleeing the country? Court would be able to get it back real easily with contracts. You just sue that name ICly, they won't attend and won't defend themselves, you have a binding legal document, you get your money back.

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Hermy » Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:05 pm

Foster161 wrote:Are we, the police, allowed to somehow withdraw the money from the scammer's account, or otherwise get the money back after he already spent the amount?

This may sound confusing, but we are very often contacted by victims that have been scammed, and the people who stole the money always claim they have spent it.

If you remember the case of the Ponzi Scheme where money was loaned and then recycled throughout all those "investors" who believed they were making an investment - turns out that all the money was gone. Even the Court could not issue to give back all the money. People's life saving were lost. And nothing could've been done to restore it.

Luckily, this is LSRP. We were able to restore it at first. But it just didn't make sense.
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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Beretta » Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:43 pm

Can you get a bunch of your faction members to jump the person, drag them to an ATM and force them to withdraw the money?
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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Chanz » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:56 pm

Beretta wrote:Can you get a bunch of your faction members to jump the person, drag them to an ATM and force them to withdraw the money?


That is considered robbing and the limit is therefore 5000 $.

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Torque » Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:30 pm

Chanz wrote:
Beretta wrote:Can you get a bunch of your faction members to jump the person, drag them to an ATM and force them to withdraw the money?


That is considered robbing and the limit is therefore 5000 $.


Actually, no:

Rule 26 wrote:If you got scammed, you are allowed to rob your money back even if it's more than 5k.

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Chanz » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:58 am

Torque wrote:
Chanz wrote:
Beretta wrote:Can you get a bunch of your faction members to jump the person, drag them to an ATM and force them to withdraw the money?


That is considered robbing and the limit is therefore 5000 $.


Actually, no:

Rule 26 wrote:If you got scammed, you are allowed to rob your money back even if it's more than 5k.



He didn't mention anything about being scammed?

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Hermy » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:11 am

Beretta wrote:Can you get a bunch of your faction members to jump the person, drag them to an ATM and force them to withdraw the money?

This is not a scam, as you are using force to obtain money, which is considered as robbery.

This is not a loan, because it just isn't clearly.
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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Torque » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:29 am

Chanz wrote:
He didn't mention anything about being scammed?


Ah, yeah lol. My bad! :3

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by Jensen122 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:55 pm

I gave out a 10 mil loan before the rule came in... now the person got banned... :( PLEASE DAMIAN...

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Post by MrSilent » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:43 pm

Do like me.
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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by drayzyo » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:42 pm

If this rule is being introduced, at least introduce a rule where loan ad's aren't allowed, too many people are being scammed out of /all/ their money.
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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by iGo » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:26 am

drayzyo wrote:If this rule is being introduced, at least introduce a rule where loan ad's aren't allowed, too many people are being scammed out of /all/ their money.



Agree'd - And its getting annoying to see ads like: "Loaning 200k, paying back 300k in 3 days!!1111!1!"

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Re: Loaning is no longer under the scamming/robbing limits:

Post by chrishan » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:58 am

iGo wrote:
drayzyo wrote:If this rule is being introduced, at least introduce a rule where loan ad's aren't allowed, too many people are being scammed out of /all/ their money.



Agree'd - And its getting annoying to see ads like: "Loaning 200k, paying back 300k in 3 days!!1111!1!"


Indeed. And 60% of the server don't even know this rule. You may want to announce it globally.
It's getting ridiculous with all the noobs trying to get loans the whole time since they know OOCly that they can just run away with the money (Which is clear METAGAMING) and get away with it. IMO this is super retarded and that are the guys who should be admin-jailed. I really feel sorry for newcomers when they don't know about this rule and give their money away.
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