San Andreas Penal Code 2011

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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by iSkylla » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:52 pm

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I think it needs to be clarified what constitutes a charge being doubled or tripled and how charge stacking works because not even the cops know how it works from the ones who I have asked.

Evading. If you evade the cops, lose them and then they re-chase you, catching you finally do get Evading x 2? Under the new laws you would be getting six hours of LSP which I think everyone can agree is ridiculous. If you bail out on charges, is the bail amount stacked, is there a max bail money limit? I have more questions but these need to be answered first, I would appreciate if Kiril answered this himself as he is the PD leader, thanks. Though to any PD members, feel free to chime in.

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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by HRamirez » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:06 pm

Theres things you can have stacked or as you can say counts for example you can get 2 counts of murder which means you would get double the original time. For evading, you can only evade once from police, not start, stop, start stop so the charge stays the same throughout. And I'm pretty sure bail follows the same as the charges are set out so bail for 2 counts of murder will be double the 1 count.
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by iSkylla » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:30 pm

Well tons of cops do like Evading x 2, x 3, x 4 and then they keep doubling the time. Reasoning? You evaded us again after you lost us.
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Lacroix » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:45 pm

yeah, I don't agree with that shit and always told people not to do it. People in Cheetahs end up having Evading x 23 by the end of the fucking day.
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Pheeeet » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:46 pm

(( It may be a bit much but they have to do something to get people to roleplay with them realistically.

The way it is now people get into fender benders then speed off like there's no tomorrow whenever they see a cop, just over what might have been a ticket. Then it turns into 2fast2furious:RP with eight bullets chasing the guy just because he can't iron out a petty traffic violation. They deserve to have six counts of evading and sit in LSP for however many hours that adds up to, something's gotta change and allowing the retards who are drawn to LSP like magnets to get off easily will just reinforce their shitty roleplay. ))
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Jamal_Trabelsi » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:55 pm

As a first version this is not bad at all, but I read somewhere that this was the final version, which is in my opinion stupid. The current version of the Penal Code is not bad, but it's far from perfect. You should seriously consider creating a new revision that will satisfy both types of roleplayers in this server. It will do everyone good.

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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Vincent_Orsatti » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:24 pm

The bail cost is way too big in comparison with the reduced time you get if you decide to bail out in some cases presented there. Also in some situations the bail should cancel the sentence.
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Michael » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:27 am

starkiller6392 wrote:The bail cost is way too big in comparison with the reduced time you get if you decide to bail out in some cases presented there. Also in some situations the bail should cancel the sentence.


It's too big because you're not supposed to use it every time to get yourself a shorter sentence. It's for the rare cases when you really need to bail out.
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Splinter » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:52 pm

Michael wrote:
starkiller6392 wrote:The bail cost is way too big in comparison with the reduced time you get if you decide to bail out in some cases presented there. Also in some situations the bail should cancel the sentence.


It's too big because you're not supposed to use it every time to get yourself a shorter sentence. It's for the rare cases when you really need to bail out.


What he said, it's not like you can pay 5k and you reduce your time with 2 hours.
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Mitchell » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:39 am

Are hydraulics legal? Or just that they can't be used on a public road or jus that they're completely illegal, under Possession of Unlawful Vehicle Modifications?
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by iGoon » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:58 pm

(( The times are abit to high but people will live.
But the fines need to become your bail instead of getting a fine for going to jail, irl they dont fine you. The only way you lose money is if you bail out. If you want to bail out your bail money goes to your arresting officer.
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Current: 323. Evading - Fleeing or attempting to elude a pursuing peace officer.
3 hour arrest and a $17,000 fine, plus a license suspension and vehicle impounding if appropriate.
BAIL: 1 hour arrest and $70,000 bail



New: 323. Evading - Fleeing or attempting to elude a pursuing peace officer.
3 hour arrest and a $17,000 bail (/bail), plus a license suspension and vehicle impounding if appropriate.


It's not fair if a cop can go from driving a Nebula to a Bullet or Cheetah in one week. Thats crazy and unfair to people that rp criminals since we got all theose scam and rob limits.))
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by iGo » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:53 pm

iGoon wrote:(( The times are abit to high but people will live.
But the fines need to become your bail instead of getting a fine for going to jail, irl they dont fine you. The only way you lose money is if you bail out. If you want to bail out your bail money goes to your arresting officer.
Ex.
Current: 323. Evading - Fleeing or attempting to elude a pursuing peace officer.
3 hour arrest and a $17,000 fine, plus a license suspension and vehicle impounding if appropriate.
BAIL: 1 hour arrest and $70,000 bail



New: 323. Evading - Fleeing or attempting to elude a pursuing peace officer.
3 hour arrest and a $17,000 bail (/bail), plus a license suspension and vehicle impounding if appropriate.


It's not fair if a cop can go from driving a Nebula to a Bullet or Cheetah in one week. Thats crazy and unfair to people that rp criminals since we got all theose scam and rob limits.))



Its not fair we spent our time on a chase and people suicides in the end.

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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Syberg » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:27 pm

iGo wrote:Its not fair we spent our time on a chase and people suicides in the end.


Holy shit, you nailed it! Couldn't agree more. We have so many long (and fun) chases, but people almost always commit suicide in the end, which is not only against the server rules (suicide to avoid arrest) but also extremely frustrating, because people don't get a criminal record for it, so even though how many times they evaded us, they'll still have a clean record ICly.

And yeah, to all this penal code thing: If you can't do the time or fine, then don't do the crime. This server isn't a Cop'n'Robbers where it's all about commiting crimes and getting caught, it's roleplay, and is supposed to be as realistic as possible.

In real life, if you try to evade the police, and engages a 10 minute long car chase, endangering a lot of peoples lives, you'll at least go in for a year and get a significant fine for that.
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by iGoon » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:54 pm

You trying to compare with rl so ill do the same.
Chad Wallace wrote:In real life, if you try to evade the police, and engages a 10 minute long car chase, endangering a lot of peoples lives, you'll at least go in for a year and get a significant fine for that.



Not really, irl you dont get a fine for going to jail. The only fine would be you bail
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Re: San Andreas Penal Code 2011

Post by Smithy » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:17 pm

(( Just a query here,

Will a proper court be mapped ingame for these trials to be ran, or is it just all forum based again?))

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