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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by MoralesLSRP » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:52 pm

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I would like to see a charge for a failure to call 911/help somebody.

In some countries, there exists a legal requirement for citizens to assist people in distress, unless doing so would put themselves or others in harm's way. Citizens are often required to, at minimum, call the local emergency number, unless doing so would be harmful, in which case the authorities should be contacted when the harmful situation has been removed.

This can mean that anyone who finds someone in need of medical help must take all reasonable steps to seek medical care and render best-effort first aid. Commonly, the situation arises on an event of a traffic accident: other drivers and passers-by must take an action to help the injured without regard to possible personal reasons not to help (e.g. having no time, being in a hurry) or ascertain that help has been requested from officials
Unfortunately this really would not work in LSRP, and in a lot of US areas, there is no established duty for random citizens to help like that.

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Post by NotharCZ » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:31 pm

In most countries there is, in my too.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Flemwad » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:04 pm

"The Good Samaritan laws have been outlawed in most states because they created scenarios where people felt duty bound to assist and they either made the scenario worse or they faced law suits themselves for simply trying to help."

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Ward » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:17 am

I don't know about mandating people perform the help themselves but maybe a law like failure to summon assistance when they are present when a crime was committed against another person and can reasonably summon emergency services without danger to themselves.

Could also make it dual purpose and give it a provision that charges people who prevent people from calling 911.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Nick. » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:16 pm

NotharCZ wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:07 pm
I would like to see a charge for a failure to call 911/help somebody.

In some countries, there exists a legal requirement for citizens to assist people in distress, unless doing so would put themselves or others in harm's way. Citizens are often required to, at minimum, call the local emergency number, unless doing so would be harmful, in which case the authorities should be contacted when the harmful situation has been removed.

This can mean that anyone who finds someone in need of medical help must take all reasonable steps to seek medical care and render best-effort first aid. Commonly, the situation arises on an event of a traffic accident: other drivers and passers-by must take an action to help the injured without regard to possible personal reasons not to help (e.g. having no time, being in a hurry) or ascertain that help has been requested from officials
To my knowledge this isn't a thing in the USA. This law exists in France, I am aware of that. I don't really see how this would be applicable in an American setting.
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Post by ClickClickBang » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:33 am

The wrong place, but I don't know where to put it. The list of accepted cases is no longer available and needs reupdating.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Adorn. » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:24 pm

Read through the Penal code + MHA. Haven't located anything saying a person who cannot care for themselves or are a harm to themselves or others can be lawfully apprehended by LE.

How can this be resolved? LSFD has a psychology unit or whatever but for some reason whenever I need them there never around. How can a suicidal person who has been apprehended​ be lodged? How can a person with a mental illness that hasn't violated any law but is clearly distressed be lodged?
Surreal wrote:If a road is closed by police, that doesn't mean that people should erratically mount the sidewalk and blast through the situation. It interrupts people trying to role-play and damages the role-play atmosphere of the scene. This is seemingly done by impatient people, or those who don't seem to realise that the sidewalk is not OK to drive on. Please refrain from doing this as a casual activity as it may result in admin action.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Flemwad » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:00 am

Adorn. wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:24 pm
Read through the Penal code + MHA. Haven't located anything saying a person who cannot care for themselves or are a harm to themselves or others can be lawfully apprehended by LE.

How can this be resolved? LSFD has a psychology unit or whatever but for some reason whenever I need them there never around. How can a suicidal person who has been apprehended​ be lodged? How can a person with a mental illness that hasn't violated any law but is clearly distressed be lodged?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by MoralesLSRP » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:08 am

Adorn. wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:24 pm
Read through the Penal code + MHA. Haven't located anything saying a person who cannot care for themselves or are a harm to themselves or others can be lawfully apprehended by LE.

How can this be resolved? LSFD has a psychology unit or whatever but for some reason whenever I need them there never around. How can a suicidal person who has been apprehended​ be lodged? How can a person with a mental illness that hasn't violated any law but is clearly distressed be lodged?
The MHA allows for you to obtain a Judge's authorization to house said individual and it doesn't necessarily require a hearing. (Courts = Judge)
Section 3. Correlation between the Psychology Unit & the Courts

The Courts may issue an order compelling an individual to undergo mandatory psychological evaluation(s) if it is believed that the individual is unable to live amongst society, may suffer from an undiagnosed mental illness and or may represent potential harm to themselves or other individuals within society.
If deemed unfit for society by the Courts, in agreement with a psychological evaluation completed by the Fire Department, the patient may be ordered into psychological care of the Fire Department. While in psychological care, the patient shall be housed within the Crisis Center of the Fire Department, where they shall be monitored by Psychology Department Command and or High Command for a specific period of time that must be specified by the Courts.
An individual patient may be released from psychological care upon an evaluation by the Lead Psychologist that deems them fit to rejoin society.
All patients entered into psychological care shall be treated with respect and dignity, to the extent that their condition allows for, and shall not be deprived of basic rights and liberties while in the care of the Fire Department.
If an individual patient, by or through themselves or a designated spouse, partner, friend or other dependent, disagrees with a mental health evaluation ordering them into psychological care, they have the right petition the Courts to review the initial evaluation, who may order the patient’s conditional or unconditional release.
The Courts may order a patient’s conditional or unconditional release from psychological care.
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So, this would be an example where you could contact a Judge.

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Post by Adorn. » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:21 pm

Kinda skimmed through it. So basically I would have to go to a judge and have them issue an order for the person to be housed at the Crisis Center? Is time on my side in that situation? Would the person have to be released back into the public then have a warrant issued out for them? Sorry, #confused.
Surreal wrote:If a road is closed by police, that doesn't mean that people should erratically mount the sidewalk and blast through the situation. It interrupts people trying to role-play and damages the role-play atmosphere of the scene. This is seemingly done by impatient people, or those who don't seem to realise that the sidewalk is not OK to drive on. Please refrain from doing this as a casual activity as it may result in admin action.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by MoralesLSRP » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:27 pm

Adorn. wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:21 pm
Kinda skimmed through it. So basically I would have to go to a judge and have them issue an order for the person to be housed at the Crisis Center? Is time on my side in that situation? Would the person have to be released back into the public then have a warrant issued out for them? Sorry, #confused.
The judge could order the person committed to the Crisis Center until approved for release by Psych. Let's say you have a guy detained for suicidal stuff, you could contact a judge who could issue an emergency order to commit them to the Crisis Center (or other suitable location) until they are evaluated by LSFD. Once the court order is in place, the person will be restricted to that area enforceable by law enforcement personnel. If that is not viable at the time for some reason, the judge could create alternative orders.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Adorn. » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:07 pm

MoralesLSRP wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:27 pm
Adorn. wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:21 pm
Kinda skimmed through it. So basically I would have to go to a judge and have them issue an order for the person to be housed at the Crisis Center? Is time on my side in that situation? Would the person have to be released back into the public then have a warrant issued out for them? Sorry, #confused.
The judge could order the person committed to the Crisis Center until approved for release by Psych. Let's say you have a guy detained for suicidal stuff, you could contact a judge who could issue an emergency order to commit them to the Crisis Center (or other suitable location) until they are evaluated by LSFD. Once the court order is in place, the person will be restricted to that area enforceable by law enforcement personnel. If that is not viable at the time for some reason, the judge could create alternative orders.

Great! Thanks, Morales.

There's no script tools for this enforcement, right? (IE. /jail). And I presume it should be noted on the person's record of their apprehension?
Surreal wrote:If a road is closed by police, that doesn't mean that people should erratically mount the sidewalk and blast through the situation. It interrupts people trying to role-play and damages the role-play atmosphere of the scene. This is seemingly done by impatient people, or those who don't seem to realise that the sidewalk is not OK to drive on. Please refrain from doing this as a casual activity as it may result in admin action.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by MoralesLSRP » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:12 pm

Adorn. wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:07 pm
MoralesLSRP wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:27 pm
Adorn. wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:21 pm
Kinda skimmed through it. So basically I would have to go to a judge and have them issue an order for the person to be housed at the Crisis Center? Is time on my side in that situation? Would the person have to be released back into the public then have a warrant issued out for them? Sorry, #confused.
The judge could order the person committed to the Crisis Center until approved for release by Psych. Let's say you have a guy detained for suicidal stuff, you could contact a judge who could issue an emergency order to commit them to the Crisis Center (or other suitable location) until they are evaluated by LSFD. Once the court order is in place, the person will be restricted to that area enforceable by law enforcement personnel. If that is not viable at the time for some reason, the judge could create alternative orders.

Great! Thanks, Morales.

There's no script tools for this enforcement, right? (IE. /jail). And I presume it should be noted on the person's record of their apprehension?
It could be noted on the record for purposes of enforcement, but it would be clearly stated that it is NOT a criminal violation and should not be treated as such.

The only script way for enforcing them in the Crisis Center is for LSFD to be able to lock the doors. If no LSFD are available, then alternative arrangements could probably be made depending on the situation.

The order would probably say something along the lines of "If the person elopes from the area to which they are committed, law enforcement may apprehend them and return them to the location."

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Adorn. » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:29 pm

Got it. Thanks a ton!
Surreal wrote:If a road is closed by police, that doesn't mean that people should erratically mount the sidewalk and blast through the situation. It interrupts people trying to role-play and damages the role-play atmosphere of the scene. This is seemingly done by impatient people, or those who don't seem to realise that the sidewalk is not OK to drive on. Please refrain from doing this as a casual activity as it may result in admin action.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Mash » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:11 pm

(4)17. Misuse Of A Government Hotline ↑
  • A person who uses an emergency government hotline for any purpose other than an emergency situation which involves a life-or-death request for assistance or other purposes dictated by the hotline managers.
  • A person who uses any non-emergency or public hotline for purposes irrelevant to that particular government office, department, or agency.
  • A person who performs prank calls, fake calls, or tries to incite mayhem through public government lines
- Penal Code (4)17 is an infraction of $1,500.
- Upon the third offense Penal Code (4)17 is a misdemeanor punishable by no less 25 minutes imprisonment and no more than 50 minutes imprisonment. This falls under Officer Discretion.
People whom prank the police face to face, is it justified to cite them for misuse of a government hotline?

I'd believe it needs to be added, or amended, that people will be fined for pranking the authorities regardless how it is reported.

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