[Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Helper » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:25 pm

(7)01. Animal Abuse / Cruelty ↑
A person who intentionally maims, mutilates, tortures, wounds, or kills a living animal.
A person whose neglect maims, mutilates, tortures, wounds, or kills a living animal.
A person who owns a pet or animal that is not reasonably considered domesticated, safe, or healthy for the animal or the owner, without a proper permit.
Hunting is technically legal and killing a living animal, shouldn't it be said that hunting would be the exception? Or is it a stupid question..
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Ward » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:33 pm

The language isn't specific but the statute applies to domesticated animals or livestock. Likely would not apply to rodent vermin or wildlife covered under hunting provisions. Not a stupid question!

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by tagtag » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:55 pm

That implies slaughtering cattle for meat is also illegal.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Flemwad » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:32 pm

tagtag wrote:
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That implies slaughtering cattle for meat is also illegal.
In this case, the spirit of the law would apply. The law was not intended to prevent people from slaughtering cattle for meat.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by tagtag » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:34 pm

Obviously that particular part is not very significant to most of LSRP, but now that the flaws are pointed out, the wording could be changed.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Zuthrex » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:37 pm

Mr.Filipovic wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:30 am
granders wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:46 pm
There should be a Marine section covering how to operate watercraft properly, to be honest
That's true, like all players that are operating a watercraft too closely to the shore should get some fine or smth. Speeding closely to the shore etc.
Because the people driving their boats in circles at the fishing job spot are going to follow laws?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Marauder » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:56 pm

Imperium wrote:
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So, there's a pretty big issue in the Penal Code. The Sultan, Flash, and FCR-900 aren't listen under high speed vehicles. Why is this? HSIU FCR has to be deployed for FCR's, why shouldn't they recieve the high speed charge? We're not allowed to put charges on FCR riders because it doesn't fall into the high speed class somehow. The Sultan is now used for evading 24/7 because they know cops can't deploy HSIU for them, so they stick NOS on and book it.
The FCR-900 has a top speed of 190 km/h (slower than all three police cruisers) so shouldn't fall under "high performance" - its agility is what makes it a problem, not its speed. According to one SA-MP forum post, the Sultan, the Flash, and the three police cruisers have the same top speed of 200 km/h. If your department is not allowing HSIU deployments for Sultans with NOS, then that is an issue with your department, not the Penal Code.
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Another issue is, street racing. It's gotten to the point where a simple 30 minute jail sentence isn't enough. Add in a three strike system. If they get caught street racing/eluding for three strikes on the record, take the car they were evading in, and crush it. Or just make stricter street racing punishments.
Street racing is not the only thing you can hit them with. Hit them with speeding, reckless driving, failure to yield to a TCD and yield violation, if any are applicable. Take all their money and they'll soon think twice. Alternatively, try going through the courts:
(12)16. Criminal Fines ↑
  1. The Department of Justice may seek Criminal Fines through the State of San Andreas Court, to accompany imprisonment, for all felony and misdemeanor charges. The court shall impose a fine in all cases, except where the defendant establishes that he is unable to pay and is not likely to become able to pay any fine. A person who articulates and furnishes financial documentation to indicate financial difficulties with paying the fine shall be afforded additional time to pay the fine through a deadline established by the courts or through a payment plan to the Department of Justice. The fines may stack. The fines are as follows:
    • $25,000 for any misdemeanor charges.
    • $50,000 for any non-violent felony.
    • $100,000 for any violent felony.
    • $150,000 for (1)09. Murder
Street racing and vehicular endangerment would result in a $50,000 (or $100,000 if they attempt to elude) fine, plus whatever else you added on (speeding, failure to yield to a TCD, etc). If people get fined $50,000+ ($100,000+ if they attempt to elude) every time they decide to street race, they'll soon stop.
That requires them and the arresting LEO to want to go through the courts tho.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Mr.Filipovic » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:07 pm

Zuthrex wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:37 pm
Mr.Filipovic wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:30 am
granders wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:46 pm
There should be a Marine section covering how to operate watercraft properly, to be honest
That's true, like all players that are operating a watercraft too closely to the shore should get some fine or smth. Speeding closely to the shore etc.
Because the people driving their boats in circles at the fishing job spot are going to follow laws?
Well, I'm too long on sea and I know how it works. But once you fine them all they'll start enforcing the law.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Arrdef » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:43 pm

(4)08. Perjury
  1. A person who knowingly provides false information while under oath in a court of law
  2. A person who knowingly provides false information as part of an affidavit, testimony, court-ordered deposition, or document with a statement signifying its authenticity under penalty of perjury.
  3. This charge cannot stack with (4)06. False Information To A Government Employee.
Does this charge apply to officers who knowlingly put information proven to be false in written reports? Or is this strictly an instance of Fraud / Corruption of Public Duty?

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Flemwad » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:58 pm

Arrdef wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:43 pm
(4)08. Perjury
  1. A person who knowingly provides false information while under oath in a court of law
  2. A person who knowingly provides false information as part of an affidavit, testimony, court-ordered deposition, or document with a statement signifying its authenticity under penalty of perjury.
  3. This charge cannot stack with (4)06. False Information To A Government Employee.
Does this charge apply to officers who knowlingly put information proven to be false in written reports? Or is this strictly an instance of Fraud / Corruption of Public Duty?
It does not. Making knowingly false statements in a report would fall under the generic corruption of public duty.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Hadrian » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:13 am

What's the logic behind a harsher sentence for prostitution and a lighter one for pandering?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Flemwad » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:55 am

Hadrian wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:13 am
What's the logic behind a harsher sentence for prostitution and a lighter one for pandering?
Good question. Not everything was logically made. That's something to suggest in the next penal code update.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Arrdef » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:30 pm

Is there anything in LS-RP law about vicarious liability? Or at least one specific type of it: The liability of LEOs for acts committed by persons detained by them / supervised by them, and those persons' well-being? State agencies, to my knowlegde, all have "neglect of duty" as a possible administrative violation of policy, but I'd like to know if it's backed up by any legal doctrine accepted on LS-RP.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by Flemwad » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:03 am

There's technically nothing set in stone. The only law we have is corruption of public duty which is very vague and open to interpretation.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Post by NotharCZ » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:07 pm

I would like to see a charge for a failure to call 911/help somebody.

In some countries, there exists a legal requirement for citizens to assist people in distress, unless doing so would put themselves or others in harm's way. Citizens are often required to, at minimum, call the local emergency number, unless doing so would be harmful, in which case the authorities should be contacted when the harmful situation has been removed.

This can mean that anyone who finds someone in need of medical help must take all reasonable steps to seek medical care and render best-effort first aid. Commonly, the situation arises on an event of a traffic accident: other drivers and passers-by must take an action to help the injured without regard to possible personal reasons not to help (e.g. having no time, being in a hurry) or ascertain that help has been requested from officials
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