[Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Calvano on Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:49 am

Zuthrex Wrote:a just explanation


Thanks for the explanation. Although I hope you don't talk to everyone like that, talking down to people is a real bad mindset to get into.

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Keane. on Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:17 pm

Unfortunately, random people are beginning to tow police vehicles around. Despite how unrealistic it is, we've had to deal with it in-character recently. I'll just need to clarify what charges can be issued if any. I'll give a few example situations.

John and Jane Doe are driving up Main Street with a marked car hooked to the back of their tow truck. The department that owns the marked car did not give consent for them to tow it. They use their right to remain silent and don't provide a reason for towing the vehicle. What would be the correct charges, if any?

John and Jane Doe strike again, but this time decide to tow abandoned LSPD cars to the parking lot of the SMB station. Upon being detained, they say that they have towed five cruisers back to the station because they were abandoned. How could they be charged in this situation?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Bospy on Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:30 pm

Keane. Wrote:Unfortunately, random people are beginning to tow police vehicles around. Despite how unrealistic it is, we've had to deal with it in-character recently. I'll just need to clarify what charges can be issued if any. I'll give a few example situations.

John and Jane Doe are driving up Main Street with a marked car hooked to the back of their tow truck. The department that owns the marked car did not give consent for them to tow it. They use their right to remain silent and don't provide a reason for towing the vehicle. What would be the correct charges, if any?

John and Jane Doe strike again, but this time decide to tow abandoned LSPD cars to the parking lot of the SMB station. Upon being detained, they say that they have towed five cruisers back to the station because they were abandoned. How could they be charged in this situation?



Impersonation of a government employee due to the following clause:
A person who pretends or implies the role of a government worker, such as a peace officer, paramedic, tax collector, federal investigator, or other official.

In this case, by towing a vehicle that is government property without being a registered impounder they are implying that they are a government agent. This is, however, an interesting scenario open to interpretation. It's too simple to be grand theft auto.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Jerry_Sforza on Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:31 pm

Zuthrex Wrote:The law says verification, which does not require physical handling of the documents. There is no penal code entry that exists for a person failing to give their license, provided they possess one, to a law enforcement officer, and it would be reckless for a judge like yourself to do anything other than literally interpret what the law actually says.

The Penal Code Wrote:(11)15. Driving without a Valid License
  1. A person operating a motor vehicle without carrying a valid driver's license.
  2. A person who refuses to show or provide a driver's license to a peace officer while operating a motor vehicle.
  3. A person operating a motor vehicle without a valid, unexpired permit or license.
- Road Law (11)15 is a misdemeanor punishable by no less than 15 minutes jail time and no more than 25 minutes jail time
- The peace officer may also issue a warning or fine up to $4,000 instead at their discretion.

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Bospy Wrote:In this case, by towing a vehicle that is government property without being a registered impounder they are implying that they are a government agent. This is, however, an interesting scenario open to interpretation. It's too simple to be grand theft auto.

I disagree. Carrying out an act that is the responsibility of a government employee does not necessarily mean the person is falsely personating him or herself to be that type of employee, for example, if you put out a fire it does not mean you are impersonating a firefighter. The act itself is that the person is taking the property (a car) that they do not own without the consent of the owner, therefore, they are committing grand theft auto.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Marauder on Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:50 pm

Keane. Wrote:Unfortunately, random people are beginning to tow police vehicles around. Despite how unrealistic it is, we've had to deal with it in-character recently. I'll just need to clarify what charges can be issued if any. I'll give a few example situations.

John and Jane Doe are driving up Main Street with a marked car hooked to the back of their tow truck. The department that owns the marked car did not give consent for them to tow it. They use their right to remain silent and don't provide a reason for towing the vehicle. What would be the correct charges, if any?

John and Jane Doe strike again, but this time decide to tow abandoned LSPD cars to the parking lot of the SMB station. Upon being detained, they say that they have towed five cruisers back to the station because they were abandoned. How could they be charged in this situation?

Scenario two would be a bit silly to charge them if you can prove they returned the vehicles back where they go.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Zuthrex on Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:04 pm

Bospy Wrote:
Keane. Wrote:Unfortunately, random people are beginning to tow police vehicles around. Despite how unrealistic it is, we've had to deal with it in-character recently. I'll just need to clarify what charges can be issued if any. I'll give a few example situations.

John and Jane Doe are driving up Main Street with a marked car hooked to the back of their tow truck. The department that owns the marked car did not give consent for them to tow it. They use their right to remain silent and don't provide a reason for towing the vehicle. What would be the correct charges, if any?

John and Jane Doe strike again, but this time decide to tow abandoned LSPD cars to the parking lot of the SMB station. Upon being detained, they say that they have towed five cruisers back to the station because they were abandoned. How could they be charged in this situation?



Impersonation of a government employee due to the following clause:
A person who pretends or implies the role of a government worker, such as a peace officer, paramedic, tax collector, federal investigator, or other official.

In this case, by towing a vehicle that is government property without being a registered impounder they are implying that they are a government agent. This is, however, an interesting scenario open to interpretation. It's too simple to be grand theft auto.


I'd be inclined to lean toward Grand Theft Auto since they're committing Grand Theft of a vehicle. Towing a vehicle does not imply government employment.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Marauder on Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:58 pm

Bospy Wrote:
Keane. Wrote:Unfortunately, random people are beginning to tow police vehicles around. Despite how unrealistic it is, we've had to deal with it in-character recently. I'll just need to clarify what charges can be issued if any. I'll give a few example situations.

John and Jane Doe are driving up Main Street with a marked car hooked to the back of their tow truck. The department that owns the marked car did not give consent for them to tow it. They use their right to remain silent and don't provide a reason for towing the vehicle. What would be the correct charges, if any?

John and Jane Doe strike again, but this time decide to tow abandoned LSPD cars to the parking lot of the SMB station. Upon being detained, they say that they have towed five cruisers back to the station because they were abandoned. How could they be charged in this situation?



Impersonation of a government employee due to the following clause:
A person who pretends or implies the role of a government worker, such as a peace officer, paramedic, tax collector, federal investigator, or other official.

In this case, by towing a vehicle that is government property without being a registered impounder they are implying that they are a government agent. This is, however, an interesting scenario open to interpretation. It's too simple to be grand theft auto.


Except they're not impounding it, they're towing it. So it's not really saying they're an impounder if they're just removing it from being parked and abandoned somewhere. Personally if they're just taking it to a precinct as I said before, I'd leave it. But if they're obviously toying around with it, charge them.
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