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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Smarty on Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:34 am

Sarcasmohjoy Wrote:Scooters on lsrp are like mopeds. So, no, it should be the same minimum driving age for anything you drive on the street at all.


So just to make this clear, 15 year old can drive around unsupervised cos they passed there test? Because I've now had PD and DOJ tell me that they are allowed.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Iudex. on Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:51 am

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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby nicolasestla on Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:52 pm

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How can we make the driver pay his fines in this scenario? Can he /pay the officer, and then the officer does /charity? Or do you bring the man to city hall handcuffed so he pays it?

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If a driver commits three or more traffic offenses his license can be suspended? Or at least, can several warning be issued?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Marauder. on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:13 pm

nicolasestla Wrote:Image

How can we make the driver pay his fines in this scenario? Can he /pay the officer, and then the officer does /charity? Or do you bring the man to city hall handcuffed so he pays it?

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If a driver commits three or more traffic offenses his license can be suspended? Or at least, can several warning be issued?


For your first part, offices can follow the person or take them to City Hall to pay them. But an officer can't arrest someone with outstanding fines without a warrant anyways, and a person can't decide to use officer discretion on the charge once the warrant is filed by the fine issuer.

For the second, it's not really possible to give more than 3 warnings in a single traffic incident, since you can't give them 3 failure to yield to a tcd if they run 3 intersections. Once a person gets to three, though, license is suspended.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Airwolf on Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:56 am

Sarcasmohjoy Wrote:
nicolasestla Wrote:Image

How can we make the driver pay his fines in this scenario? Can he /pay the officer, and then the officer does /charity? Or do you bring the man to city hall handcuffed so he pays it?

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If a driver commits three or more traffic offenses his license can be suspended? Or at least, can several warning be issued?


For your first part, offices can follow the person or take them to City Hall to pay them. But an officer can't arrest someone with outstanding fines without a warrant anyways, and a person can't decide to use officer discretion on the charge once the warrant is filed by the fine issuer.

For the second, it's not really possible to give more than 3 warnings in a single traffic incident, since you can't give them 3 failure to yield to a tcd if they run 3 intersections. Once a person gets to three, though, license is suspended.

Officer can in fact arrest for outstanding fines without a warrant per viewtopic.php?f=606&t=595111#p7619668 . The warrant is mainly related to affidavits.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Ward on Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:57 am

Sarcasmohjoy Wrote:But an officer can't arrest someone with outstanding fines without a warrant anyways


That was a misinterpretation reversed in the court of appeals.

EDIT: Ahh! Airwolf beat me to it. Well done.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Arkady Krushenko on Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:53 am

I am aiming to handle the ambiguity around driving licenses soon, so watch out for updates.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Torque on Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:10 am

Some minor changes were made to the penal code:

(14)04. Feb. 18 2016
  1. (4)02. Failure to Pay a Fine reverted to its previous version with minor changes to provide more clarity.
  2. Altered (2)08. Petty Theft, (2)09. Theft, and (2)10. Grand Theft in line with The People v. Najaro: 16-A003, and 16-B018.
  3. Altered (13)12. to include a note.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Marauder. on Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:24 am

Torque Wrote:Some minor changes were made to the penal code:

(14)04. Feb. 18 2016
  1. (4)02. Failure to Pay a Fine reverted to its previous version with minor changes to provide more clarity.
  2. Altered (2)08. Petty Theft, (2)09. Theft, and (2)10. Grand Theft in line with The People v. Najaro: 16-A003, and 16-B018.
  3. Altered (13)12. to include a note.

So no more Captain+ warrants?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Torque on Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:38 am

Sarcasmohjoy Wrote:
Torque Wrote:Some minor changes were made to the penal code:

(14)04. Feb. 18 2016
  1. (4)02. Failure to Pay a Fine reverted to its previous version with minor changes to provide more clarity.
  2. Altered (2)08. Petty Theft, (2)09. Theft, and (2)10. Grand Theft in line with The People v. Najaro: 16-A003, and 16-B018.
  3. Altered (13)12. to include a note.

So no more Captain+ warrants?


Which part of the revision could be interpreted as removing Captain+ warrants?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby danielswe on Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:32 pm

Torque Wrote:Which part of the revision could be interpreted as removing Captain+ warrants?

This part:
An arrest warrant for failure to pay a fine MAY be issued by the officer who issued the fine.

I contacted a PD Command and STAFF member and asked them about it. Waiting for a response.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Torque on Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:54 pm

danielswe Wrote:
Torque Wrote:Which part of the revision could be interpreted as removing Captain+ warrants?

This part:
An arrest warrant for failure to pay a fine MAY be issued by the officer who issued the fine.

I contacted a PD Command and STAFF member and asked them about it. Waiting for a response.


It's more about stopping people from randomly checking someone's name for unpaid fines and submitting arrest warrant requests on their forum when they're not the one issuing the fine in the first place. This was the original intent, as far as I'm aware, of changing failure to pay a fine code from what it was in 2015 to the 2016 version, but there was room for misinterpretation in the new one where arrests for (4)02 could, though a bit pushing, be interpreted as requiring Captain+ warrants. So I just reverted (4)02 to its previous version and added the clause on warrants from its 2016 version.

If officers find someone during their patrol who failed to pay a fine then they are allowed to arrest them under (4)02, but they should not go around submitting requests for arrest warrants for people they have never even encountered.
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby nicolasestla on Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:16 pm

For the second, it's not really possible to give more than 3 warnings in a single traffic incident, since you can't give them 3 failure to yield to a tcd if they run 3 intersections. Once a person gets to three, though, license is suspended.


I was thinking about three different offenses, like failure to abide to a tcd, speeding and reckless driving for example, in this case can several warnings be issued? Can the license get suspended?
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby Arkady Krushenko on Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:20 pm

nicolasestla Wrote:
For the second, it's not really possible to give more than 3 warnings in a single traffic incident, since you can't give them 3 failure to yield to a tcd if they run 3 intersections. Once a person gets to three, though, license is suspended.


I was thinking about three different offenses, like failure to abide to a tcd, speeding and reckless driving for example, in this case can several warnings be issued? Can the license get suspended?


(11)00. Limitations ↑
  1. No individual may be fined more than $25,000 in the course of a single road law incident in charges from Title 11. Road Law
  2. No individual may receive more than three driver warnings, amounting to a single license revocation, per road law incident.
  3. No more than one of each code entry in Title 11. Road Law may be issued on a driver per road law incident.

If you commit 3 road law violations, you can be given warnings for all 3, and your license can be suspended. You can be fined up to $25,000, and you can only be fined once per charge (so you can't be fined twice for speeding in one traffic stop)
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Re: [Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code

Postby nicolasestla on Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:33 pm

Arkady Krushenko Wrote:
nicolasestla Wrote:
For the second, it's not really possible to give more than 3 warnings in a single traffic incident, since you can't give them 3 failure to yield to a tcd if they run 3 intersections. Once a person gets to three, though, license is suspended.


I was thinking about three different offenses, like failure to abide to a tcd, speeding and reckless driving for example, in this case can several warnings be issued? Can the license get suspended?


(11)00. Limitations ↑
  1. No individual may be fined more than $25,000 in the course of a single road law incident in charges from Title 11. Road Law
  2. No individual may receive more than three driver warnings, amounting to a single license revocation, per road law incident.
  3. No more than one of each code entry in Title 11. Road Law may be issued on a driver per road law incident.

If you commit 3 road law violations, you can be given warnings for all 3, and your license can be suspended. You can be fined up to $25,000, and you can only be fined once per charge (so you can't be fined twice for speeding in one traffic stop)


Alright thanks a lot, that's what I thought I just wanted it confirmed so I can apply it without risk with Internal Affair. ^^
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